Joker has fanned the flames of this crazy batman theory is there. According to this theory, the joker is none other than batmans butler alfred himself. Batman vilans are all paid by alfred so after bruce wayne comes back to gotham hellbent on revenge, alfred is terrified about bruce going out on the street to harass real criminals, so he uses the wayne fortune to pay outofwork actors and homeless people to dress up as masked vilans and pretend to wage war on gotham. Oct 10, 2019 the dark knight, the joker, and game theory. Instilling joker with a false sense of security, alfred gets the drop on him and, even beats him in a brief fencing duel that sends the joker running. I have to note that while alfred was telling the story, the real joker was sitting in the same room. Harley quinn to me is the negative version of nightwing. In the comics, joker has his skin chemically bleached given him his look. Needless to say, this theory is a little out there, but it does hold some weight. That could totally be a reference to dick grayson turning from good robin to bad joker.
Joker depicts the batman villains first confrontation. Batman vs superman fan theories alfred the butler is bruce. Nov 10, 2015 i dont think its even close to possible. This chaos is a constant joker trait across his 75year history, but its his defining aspect in nolans version, to the point the teaser trailer is simply alfreds some men just want to watch the world burn speech over a slowly disintegrating bat symbol. Jul 18, 2018 this chaos is a constant joker trait across his 75year history, but its his defining aspect in nolans version, to the point the teaser trailer is simply alfred s some men just want to watch the world burn speech over a slowly disintegrating bat symbol. Joker theory will change how you view the dc movie. Like alfred, thomas denies that arthur is his son and says its impossible as. Oct 24, 2018 todd phillips joker movie has finally cast two of the most recognizable characters in the dc comics lore, bruce wayne and his loyal butler and confidant alfred pennyworth, to star alongside.
In batman begins, on his birthday, when bruce wayne, leaves just about his party is about to start, to save rachel, he asks alfred to engage the guests with a joke tell them that joke you know. Garrick has some crazy ideas about the jokers identity. What is the joke that alfred knows in batman begins. The theory takes root in joker as something actually presented as a possibility. Alfred molina joins dc universes harley quinn as mr. In an episode of the 1966 batman tv series, joker comes to wayne manor with a gun and a hostage, and threatens to fire if he isnt allowed to rob the mansion. Alfred cannot be joker i saw a answer to a similar question so i am not going to take full credit however it is common sense that while joker is in arkham alfred could not possibly be joker because he is at wayne manor when joker was in arkham. The goal of the joker was to create andor ravel in chaos. Joker, starring joaquin phoenix, is now out in cinemas, but is that massive twist about. Oct 05, 2019 one of the mysteries in director todd phillips joker is whether arthur fleck really is the son of thomas wayne as his mother penny fleck claimed. Jul 26, 2017 alfred pennyworth has always been vital to bruce wayne and batmans success, both in the comics and onscreen. The butler is father figure, a mentor and a trusted colleague. That was the direct metaphor to some people just want to watch the world burn, where fire represents chaos. We havent seen alfred in a few issues now, in which time joker could have been doing who knows what.
Alfred then recalls the moment the joker was born, exposing the greatest lie in the history of batman. Just like all the others in that comic, alfred told a false story. Alfred is the joker, and unfortunately it makes sense. Against the backdrop of bush, this is presented as the true way to damage society. Alfred hired several people to play the role of supervillains for batman to fight. And it would explain how even the batman cant trace his foes history. Patton oswalts the dark knight joker theory takes a stab at. One panel shows batmans hands resting near the jokers throat, and. Batman vs superman fan theories alfred the butler is bruce waynes dad. Joker centers on phoenixs arthur fleck, an aspiring comedian living in gotham city. The group would work together to keep bruce happy and alert by. Alfred isnt really the joker, hes merely pretending to be him.
Oct 09, 2019 the theory takes root in joker as something actually presented as a possibility. Aug 19, 2015 that could totally be a reference to dick grayson turning from good robin to bad joker. This dark knight fan theory puts the joker as the hero. Daily worldview analysis about the leading news headlines and cultural conversations. Dec 14, 2016 alfred pennyworth is much more than a butler. In the dark knight, alfred said it best when he described the joker.
There are people that just want to see the world burn. But for those of you that saw the poster for the film and decided to go see hancock instead, this was the one time in the the dark knight where the joker was caught offguard, talking about his past. Alfred is recounting the tale of batmans beginning, which was not successful. Influenced by the joker, but eventually she has her own identity. Its a big stretch, but if you think about it, it could be true. In which comic was it revealed that alfred was the joker.
I like the idea that the first joker is alfred stryker. Joker depicts the batman villains first confrontation with. The joker and his personality in terms of the theories of albert adler and abraham maslow type. Forbes takes privacy seriously and is committed to transparency. Oct 30, 2014 a fan has proposed a theory on reddit that oswald cobblepot robin lord taylor isnt penguin at all, but the joker. Joker finds its young bruce wayne and alfred pennyworth youtube. Alfred pennyworth is the british butler and valet to the wayne family.
I think the purpose of alfred was to teach bruce he couldnt predict or play the joker. Whatever happened to the caped crusader alfred isnt really the joker, hes merely. The thing is this theory that is going around is not real, if dc ever publish a comic about it chances are it is not canon to the actual batman. The wayne family is established early on in the story, with arthurs. It did happen 9gag has the best funny pics, gifs, videos, gaming, anime, manga, movie, tv, cosplay, sport, food. Batman fan theories so crazy they belong in arkham asylum. In the irish pub formulation, sheldon tells leonard that he cant keep a secret, even though both alfred and batman have their secrets. Bruce waynes loyal friend alfred suggests that the jokers a character who just wants to watch the world burn.
The wayne family is established early on in the story, with arthurs mother, penny frances conroy, writing to. Alfred himself took on the persona of the joker to give batman an opposite number to fight. Gotham theory that oswald cobblepot is the joker popsugar. Whether this theory is wrong or right, its clear heath ledger wont be the only one remembered for. Spiderman 2s alfred molina is set to return to the comic book genre in the upcoming second season of dc universes harley quinn animated series as iconic batman villain mr. Actor douglas hodge plays batmans caretaker alfred pennyworth in joker but dont expect to hear his iconic name dropped during the film. The theory goes that alfred and martha wayne had an affair, and after. Congratulations to the geniuses who came up with a way to explain why ben afflecks dark knight is in such a bad mood. Essay, 3 pages the fictional character joker from the batman series has a very complex and multidimensional personality and has been studied by hundreds of theorists, philosophers, movie fans, and the like.
The it would end up giving him reasons and motivations and explanations for his behavior. Alfred himself adopted the persona and visage of the joker to give batman a nemesis to focus on. When alfred was young, he would accompany his father on hunting trips in essex during the summer. Along with these forms come fan theories about bruce wayne, his. Patton oswalts the dark knight joker theory takes a stab. This dark knight fan theory puts the joker as the hero, and it kind of works aug. It is one of the most shocking theories about the joker. This certainly isnt the first fan theory on how the joker fits into christopher nolans the dark knight universe. Browse concert band sheet music, repertoire, methods, and supplemental resources from the industrys leading authors, composers, and arrangers. Sep 18, 2018 he was once in a different timeline, and the idea has been explored many times over in fan theories. Youre most likely describing this scene from batman. Recalling the training of his earlier days in the special forces, alfred remembers the will, knowledge and training needed to survive.
The moment is interrupted by bruces butler, alfred douglas hodge. Alfred pennyworth alan napier takes on the joker himself cesar romero, in one of my favorite moments from the 60s batman tv series specificially, season 2s flop goes the joker. Batman vs superman fan theories alfred the butler is. So, alfred cant really be him unless he can change his skin. This version of the character is exclusive to the continuity of the film joker and is an adaptation of alfred. Jul 07, 2016 we even see a glimpse of a future where bruce has been batman for 200 years, through the use of clones and each time he has a joker to face, each new generation of criminal crowning their own clown prince of crime they each learn who the joker is firsthand. The history of joker movies and characters origin story. How did alfreds story about the bandit help bruce in dealing. It is also the reason that the joker knows exactly. Alfred pennyworth has always been vital to bruce wayne and batmans success, both in the comics and onscreen. Adlerian therapy is a shortterm, goaloriented, and positive psychodynamic therapy based on the theories of alfred adlera onetime colleague of sigmund freud. Theres even a popular fan theory that the joker is the hero of dark knight because he cleaned up gothams streets.
Acclaimed british actor douglas hodge will take on the role of alfred. Whether this theory is wrong or right, its clear heath. Todd phillips joker movie has finally cast two of the most. Thomas wayne actor addresses that theory about arthur. The history of joker movies and characters origin story time. In the dark knight, alfred was the first one to fully understand joker, summing up his motivations with, some men just want to watch the world burn. Joker finds its young bruce wayne and alfred pennyworth. Alfred, most commonly but not originally named in full as alfred thaddeus crane pennyworth, is a fictional character appearing in american comic books published by dc comics, most commonly in association with the superhero batman.
One of the mysteries in director todd phillips joker is whether arthur fleck really is the son of thomas wayne as his mother penny fleck claimed. He took up the role of legal guardian of bruce wayne, after the murders of bruces parents, dr. The fact that they looked alike was funny to the pale man. Oct 04, 2019 joker centers on phoenixs arthur fleck, an aspiring comedian living in gotham city. Aug 29, 2015 this certainly isnt the first fan theory on how the joker fits into christopher nolans the dark knight universe. Bruce wayne and his loyal butler and confidant alfred pennyworth, to star alongside. Joker even featured the first part of batmans origin story when spoiler alert. Ten years after the release of christopher nolans seminal batman film, actor patton oswalt came up with the dark knight joker theory about the origins of heath ledgers villains that is making. Dec 11, 2014 all alfred had to do was slip a few criminals a cnote or two to start talking about the jokers past. Bruce wayne aka the future batman and eventually flees after getting into it with butler alfred. He was once in a different timeline, and the idea has been explored many times over in fan theories. The joker and his personality in terms of the theories of. Now, thats the best description of the joker and his motives.
Alfred was the joker all along, the bane of batmans existence and his reason for living. When arthur has a disturbing encounter with a young. What are your thoughts about this theory that alfred is the. Joker finds its young bruce wayne and alfred pennyworth looper. I think joker cut off alfreds face once he had driven alfred insane and had him. A fan has proposed a theory on reddit that oswald cobblepot robin lord taylor isnt penguin at all, but the joker.
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